Arguing with Idiots...the home edition

Facebook can be a wonderful thing...
Peoples opinions are just that...THEIR opinions and it is great that people have them, and express them. It is not for me to argue their opinions, but to challenge myself to consider their opinions.

However, I do have a problem when opinions are not based in facts.
Facts that are either wrong, unsubstantiated, facts that are conveniently left out of the debate to falsley hold up your Opinion,
or worst of all, personal opinions posed as facts.

The other day I got into a rather innocent discussion with a friend regarding her being "unfriended" while light-heartedly discussing politics...this is how it went...

This started with a discussion about Sarah Palin and her qualifications and one person wrote...
"She lost me when she said polar bears aren't endangered. I think she's an idiot. =) She's a hunter, nothing is "endangered"...
to which I responded...
"it is now a scientific fact that the Polar Bear population has INCREASED over the last 20 years. Now that doesn't mean we shouldn't protect them, it just means that the left wing can't use them to scare you and mostly the children into their global catastrophe scenario...As for Palin, she is known in the Alaska legislature for not taking any crap and exposing the politicians who were on the take from the big business conglomerates taking advantage of Alaskas natural resources...that is why they don't want her as VP she will do the same to Congress and they know it... I am so sick of hearing 'she doesn't have the experience'...
Clinton was Gov of Arkansas that was enough to be President...
Obama was a junior Senator for less than 2 years and that was enough to be President...
Jimmy Carter was a peanut farmer for Gods sake and THAT was good enough to be President...
At least Sarah Palin was Gov of the largest state in the Union...and that's not enough to be VICE PRESIDENT...

Well...another person, a third party if you will, decided to call me to the mat and wrote...
"BTW, Jimmy Carter was more than a peanut farmer..he was a nuclear physicist. The new deranged lie making the rounds is that Palin was just as qualified to be VP as Biden...That's some rich $h!t there!!"

You know me...I couldn't just let that go...so I responded with some facts...
"Carter’s campaign claim" I wrote, "to be a nuclear physicist has long been proven just that...a campaign claim, that is apparently based on his having taken a lone one-semester, non-credit introductory college course. He completed a year long course in the field as part of his post Annapolis Naval training, and received NO degree...just because I can change a light bulb does not make me an electrician...nice try...He did however win the Nobel Peace Prize...but so did Al Gore and Yassir Arrafat...speaking of 'rich shit'...go figure"...

to which he responded with his OWN "facts"...
"Carter took graduate courses at Union College in reactor technology and nuclear physics, and served as senior officer of the pre-commissioning crew of the Seawolf, the second nuclear submarine.
Not quite as benign as you make it out to be Jim."...


But as Liberal Progressives like to do, he LEFT OUT some important little details...which I had to point out to him...
"true," I wrote, "he did take those classes, however records show that he did not complete those courses after the death of his father and instead took a course in the field as part of Annapolis Naval training, and received NO degree...
you wouldn't trust your life to somebody who took a first aid class and told you he was a doctor without a degree...
having no doctorate degree means he's not a doctor...
just as not having a degree in 'nuclear physics' means he's not a nuclear physicist...even if he did serve as an officer on a Submarine..."

Again, in true Liberal Progressive form he responded with...
"No, he's not a Physicist, but we'll have to meet somewhere in the middle...he also went beyond "one-semester, non-credit introductory college course". This started as a debate, as a referendum on Palin who obviously wasn't up to the task of being Governor of the largest state in the union. Quitting sunk any dreams of achieving higher political ambitions. Joe Miller whom she backed for Alaska Senator will likely lose when Murkowski's write-in vote are counted. She's shrill & she won't ever win the nomination & no nominated Repub will choose her as a running mate..I mean, they do wanna win afterall." he wrote...

It is the last response that is the subject of this episode...
The idea that if he is right there can be only one who is right,
but if I am right and he is wrong, I'm not right but we are BOTH wrong...
You see he acknowledges the fact that he is wrong when he says "No, he's not a Physicist"...which is the crux of the entire debate,
and yet in his next breath restates his failed argument by saying "he also went beyond "one-semester, non-credit introductory college course".
He then goes on to take his shot at Palin and "remind" me how this conversation started,
as if I was the one who had forgotten and falsely stated that Jimmy Carter was a "Nuclear Physicist"...
and then proceeds to tell ME that I have to "meet him somewhere in the middle"...

Just as we are hearing from the Liberal Progressives right now after losing the election..."we are going to have to work together and compromise".

After they stood at the podium for over 4 years, cramming their agenda down the throats of Americans, while telling everyone "there is no compromise we won"...

Now that the people have spoken and "reminded" them who they work for, its time for bi-partisanship and compromise because they weren't wrong, they just weren't wrong enough, and you are just too stupid to understand.

This man is telling you he is a socialist and that they need to hide behind their own (blue dog) moderates because they know their policies will never get passed by the American people unless they hide who they really are...they are literally arguing over who is farther to the left and blaming their unpopularity on the fact that they weren't Socialist enough...

Now let's just suppose Oh..I don't know...say George Bush...came out on the campaign trail and said "I saw a UFO" or "I'm a nuclear physicist"...what do you think would have happened ?
Would be arguing 35 years later that he really did or was ??
I think not...President Bush did say he was a pilot in the National Guard reserves and liberal progressives did everything they could to call him a liar, when he PROVED it, they called the proof a lie...and while they continuously called him an uneducated buffoon...

he informed them he graduated from Yale University in 1968 and Harvard Business School in 1975,
And yet, eventhough President Bush graduated from the same school as Barack Hussein Obama,
and unlike President Obama has produced ALL of his school records, President Bush is portrayed as an idiot,
while President Obama is "just to smart for the American people to understand and perhaps one of the 'smartest' presidents ever".


And speaking of intelligence...lets have a look at Joe Biden in regard to that "deranged lie making the rounds" about that "shrill" "unqualified" "bucket of fluff" Sarah Palin...


That's right, the same guy who said he's got a 3 letter word for you... JOBS...
and the same guy who when asked by a reporter what the address of his website was he said...

Huh ?!!?!? you forgot the NUMBER...of your website...
I got your back Joe..the number is 1-900-IMA-IDIOT...
I guess I would be embarrassed too if I forgot the phone number to my website...
You know when you make statements like "part of what a leader does...is demonstrate that he or she knows what they are talking about...when the stock market crashed Franklin Roosevelt got on television...and said look here's what happened"...I would expect my overqualified highly educated Vice President to know that Herbert Hoover was President in 1929 when the stock market crashed, and that President Roosevelt, who took office in 1933, couldn't have gone on television because the television wouldn't be invented for decades...
And you would think that a mistake like that from an overqualified highly educated government official would be mocked on...oh say...Saturday Night Live or something, and repeated by the media at nausea...but I don't seem to remember THAT.
This isn't just one or two minor slips here...
remember "Thats a pretty big f*#cking deal Mr. President"...
Now "that's some 'rich shit' there"...if I may be so bold as to steal a phrase...

There is a pattern here, and it is obvious to those who choose to see it...If the left approves of you, you are "smart, intelligent and overqualified" but if they don't approve of you, you are a stupid backwoods idiot who is not qualified to run your own household. Just as they are doing to Sarah Palin and Christine O'donnell. Think about it, Sarah Palin is most remembered for saying "I can see Russia from my house". For the record...she stated that "you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska",

which is a true fact...
It was Tina Fey in a Saturday Night Live skit, impersonating Sarah Palin, who said "I can see Russia from my house". the fact is that Sarah Palin was the youngest person and the first woman elected Governor of Alaska. Before she was elected governor, she was a member of the Wasilla, Alaska City Council from 1992 to 1996, and the city's mayor from 1996 to 2002 and she chaired the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission. Palin attended Hawaii Pacific University in 1982 and North Idaho College in 1983. She attended the University of Idaho in 1984 and attended Matanuska-Susitna College in the fall of 1985. Palin returned to the University of Idaho in 1986, receiving her bachelor's degree in communications with an emphasis in journalism in 1987. Now I know it's not Harvard or Yale, but its not as if she is uneducated. And yet She is not qualified to be VICE PRESIDENT.

Yet, a "community organizer", part-time Illinois state Senator and a less than 2 year junior U.S. Senator,
who took a stand on almost nothing, by refusing to vote Yes or No, and leaving a voting record of "present" 130 times,

is "over-qualified" to be the PRESIDENT of the United States..., and just too smart for the American citizens to understand.

In the case of Christine O'donnell, we truly saw a campaign shamefully turned into a modern day witch hunt. I don't live in Delaware and therefore have no opinion either way on the character of Ms. O'Donnell, but the character assasination that took place was of epic proportions. The liberal progressives decided to be...well..."progressive", by reverting the campaign back to 1692 Salem, and literally called somebody a "witch" because of something she said in high school.
By the reaction of the Liberal Progressives you would think she came out during her campaign and said she saw a UFO or something...

wait a minute...I could swear some other politician has done that before...
oh yeah...that's right...
It was Jimmy Carter that came out to reporters DURING HIS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN in 1976 and said...,
"It was the darndest thing I've ever seen. It was big, it was very bright, it was the size of the MOON. We watched it for ten minutes, but none of us could figure out what it was."

That's Ok though, its not like he came out and said he did magic tricks in high school or something...THAT would be totally unacceptable...

Christine O'Donnell actually lost the election to a candidate (Chris Coons) who wrote in his COLLEGE NEWSPAPER that he is now a "bearded Marxist".
Chris Coons is basically a self-avowed communist who is supported by the most extreme Marxist/Socialist/Communist organizations including,
the COUNCIL FOR A LIVABLE WORLD: Founded in 1962 by long-time socialist activist and alleged Soviet agent, Leo Szilard,
the INTERNATIONAL SOCIALIST ORGANIZATION,
COLOR OF CHANGE – self-avowed Communist Van Jones and the DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS OF AMERICA, who are also aligned with ANSWER, radical supporters of Hezbollah and Hamas.
COMMUNIST PARTY USA,
the APOLLO ALLIANCE, responsible for writing Obamacare,
the CENTER FOR AMERICAN PROGRESS,
SEIU, who's motto “Workers of the World, Unite!”is one of the most famous rallying cries of communism,...does this look like Greece, Spain, France or England lately...

And yet that didn't matter,

He was just kidding...ya know because that's what you do...as the editor, you let it be printed as your last article for your COLLEGE NEWSPAPER, right before graduation from COLLEGE, when you are at least 24 years old,
that you are a Marxist...as a joke...

But a high school indiscretion when you are 16 or 17 years old is just unforgivable...

That is apparently what the people of Delaware believe, making it clear that they would rather have a self-avowed communist represent them, instead of 'Christina the teenage witch'.

In California you literally can't get more "Left" without driving into the Pacific Ocean.
Their election, again funded with millions of union dollars ran the same course. Meg Whitman and Carley Fiorina 'dared' to challenge the progressive machine in battles with Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown for Governor and Barbara Boxer.
And the gloves came off early.
It began when Meg Whitman was demonized for letting an illegal immigrant housekeeper go when she found out she was illegal.
Again in true Progressive form, they chose to leave out key information, including that the housekeeper was employed through an agency who was supposed to verify the status of the employee.

This person was paid $23 per hour, for 9 years, as an illegal alien, whos social security number did she use?,
Just what rights is she talking about ?
how did she file her taxes?,
where is she now?
Why isn't she being prosecuted for ANY of her crimes that you or I as citizens would be ?
Why isn't this "news" today?
Why isn't the media and Gloria Allred following up on this "horrible abuse" of an illegal immigrant ?
Why aren't any of these questions being asked?
Could it be because they now need this story to go away before people demand answers to these questions and wonder why she hasn't been arrested or deported, making Gloria Allred look bad ?
In my opinion...if Meg Whitman was going to intentionally "abuse" an illegal alien housekeeper...she could have found someone to abuse for way less than $23 per hour.
A millionaire doesn't NEED to hire illegal cheap labor.
There are plenty of Americans who would be willing to be "abused" to keep her mansion clean for $23 an hour.

So eventhough the agency was responsible for verification,
and the housekeeper was found to be an illegal immigrant,
who lied about her College education and supplied forged and phoney documents,
Meg Whitman was still the badguy...
not the Agency who supplied the employee,
not the person who lied to officials,
but the only person who did the right thing...and to show what a horrible person Meg Whitman is, when she just "threw her out like a piece of trash", she didn't even report the housekeeper as illegal when she found out, so the housekeeper wouldn't be deported...
Which is perhaps the ONLY thing Meg Whitman DID do wrong in this whole scenario.
And when Jerry Browns staff called Meg Whitman a "whore" the media played it over and over again...
and instead of the media holding Mr. Brown responsible, we heard excuses about the context, who said it and that Meg Whitman was playing "dirty politics" by exploiting it...and then the media demanded Meg Whitman and Jerry Brown quit with the negative campaigning, again in true progressive form indicting both for ones discretions, after the damage is done.
Again...the idea that if they are right there can be only one who is right,
but if I am right and they are wrong, I'm not right but we are BOTH wrong...and I will just have to "meet them somewhere in the middle".

Only people in California would demonize two successful business people,
who worked their whole careers in the private sector,
EARNING all THEIR money, that THEY would spend on THEIR campaigns to run for public office...,
Only to be demonized for the amount of THEIR money THEY spent on THEIR campaigns...
Yet there were no investigations into just who was supplying the equal amount of funds spent by 2 career politicians...
who's (meager) salaries have been paid by taxpayers (you and I) their entire career.
Two career politicians who would not be questioned or held responsible by the media for the decisions and policies they made and created the past 35 years,
which literally have created the situation the state currently languishes in,
Only Californians would ignore this...


Now don't misunderstand me...this is not about who I endorse.

It is about the system, the battle, the techniques and the bias.
The game of fine lines and semantics...

The successful pattern seems to be...
do as much as you can get away with for as long as possible, all the while pointing the finger and accusing the other of what YOU are doing.

Something is wrong when we as a people ignore the obvious,
When we just can't believe that the truth might actually be the truth,
because we either don't believe that anybody lives that way anymore, or it is just so rare when people do,
that we can't recognize it when we see it...
so instead we reward the abuser.

I have never met anybody who would defend Mr. "Moonbeam" and I have only met one other man in my lifetime "willing" to defend Jimmy Carter...I have learned that debating Jimmy Carter and arguing with idiots is like debating which is better...a crap sandwich or a shitburger...
there are no winners, either way you're still eating shit.


till next time...